tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7107361208761142123.post1058180776496059007..comments2024-03-08T06:40:41.181-06:00Comments on MN Bike Trail Navigator: MN DNR Issues News Release Regarding Winter Trail Use & FatbikesChris Chaviehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17003607066728160452noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7107361208761142123.post-60415542187922076722014-12-01T23:58:09.323-06:002014-12-01T23:58:09.323-06:00If the cyclists decided they need to move in that ...If the cyclists decided they need to move in that direction they would.....perhaps you have never heard of MORC or MOCA or COGGS or IMBA for that matter. These groups have helped build, pay for, and maintain trails in areas where there were none or were in disrepair. Cyclist could be good allies, the fat bike thing is in it's infancy as far as access so there is no wonder you have not seen them contributing to GIA . On the contrary.....they work with land owners all the time Death Riderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05679128258670022165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7107361208761142123.post-12644799947621025642014-12-01T23:54:30.582-06:002014-12-01T23:54:30.582-06:00I am a state park ranger, and responsible for X-C ...I am a state park ranger, and responsible for X-C Ski grooming a State Forest Recreation Area north of the Cities. I am also a Pugsley driver. As frustrating as it is for me because I cannot ride any of the trails where I work, I understand the system. Grant-in-aid funds come from snowmobile registrations and trail user fees, and that pays for grooming those trails. Ski pass funds pay for cross-country ski trail grooming. (In the summer, state horse trail pass funds go to those trails and programs.) Most people do not realize the amount of work that goes into grooming and maintaining trails, nor do they realize that skiers and snowmobilers are paying for the privilege. I honestly believe we should be doing like Wisconsin and have a trail pass system for ALL trail use activities. Our trails would certainly be in better shape if we did. But until our managers see the advantage of that, we will continue to have and enforce the rules as they exist. That being said, there are ever-increasing opportunities to ride your fatties on county and municipal trails. For example, Isanti County Parks (where I live) has worked with the Cambridge Cycling Club and the Backcountry Trail Patrol to groom 5+ miles in 3 county parks for fat-biking and snowshoeing, and more is probably coming since the MTB singletrack at Springvale Park has yet to be packed and groomed. Rather than rale at the state land managers, see what is, or could be available in your own community, just by approaching the parks management (like we did in Isanti County). You may just get a whole new pace to ride!Hans E.https://www.blogger.com/profile/18430942179432532156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7107361208761142123.post-72817859175128655892014-12-01T23:46:39.162-06:002014-12-01T23:46:39.162-06:00Look up the STATE trails on the DNR website...many...Look up the STATE trails on the DNR website...many of them show a bike symbol as well as a snowmobile symbol. The Arrowhead 135 started paving the way for fat bikers on snowmobile trails...The DNR seems to have their tit in the ringer now... skirting the issue.... not knowing how to handle it when it clearly states bicycles as well as hikers and skiers are allowed on these multi-use trails. Furthermore it states nothing about a trail pass unless you are skiing or horseback riding. If they see fit to have a fat-bike pass then we can cross that bridge when we get there. As far as riding bikes on the trail I have not seen any issues...I have personally ridden nearly 1000 miles on the arrowhead trail (964 to be exact) over the last ten years and have met many friendly snowmobilers and have had no conflicts. This goes for the trail leaving out of shakopee as well with more miles logged over a longer period of time. We should all try to get along and have lots of fun <br /> Death Riderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05679128258670022165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7107361208761142123.post-25018638085468534322014-12-01T19:35:47.617-06:002014-12-01T19:35:47.617-06:00So if fat bikers could purchase snow mobile passes...So if fat bikers could purchase snow mobile passes for their struggle buggies, it would be ok to ride them on grant and aid trails? I believe that this is how either Idaho or Wyoming handles fat bikes. Pay to play.Joshua Stamperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06559101607026277049noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7107361208761142123.post-14010896348122522572014-12-01T18:07:34.635-06:002014-12-01T18:07:34.635-06:00The trails aren't free, us snowmobilers pay ar...The trails aren't free, us snowmobilers pay around 14 million a year in taxes, registration, trail permits fees that are all dedicated to snowmobile trails and support.Spamhater007https://www.blogger.com/profile/17197780334133297419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7107361208761142123.post-88302118465275883322014-12-01T18:04:11.454-06:002014-12-01T18:04:11.454-06:00Perhaps when you bike owners pay upwards of 14 mil...Perhaps when you bike owners pay upwards of 14 million a year, then spend thousands of hours working with landowners, you too could have your own trails. That is what snowmobiler's do EVERY year.Spamhater007https://www.blogger.com/profile/17197780334133297419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7107361208761142123.post-51450578865859321022014-12-01T17:29:13.684-06:002014-12-01T17:29:13.684-06:00I'm sorry, but we snowmobilers have worked wit...I'm sorry, but we snowmobilers have worked with land owners for access to use for snowmobile use. Stay off them or you will be arrested for tress-passing.Spamhater007https://www.blogger.com/profile/17197780334133297419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7107361208761142123.post-47169299928431716742014-03-11T19:42:21.696-05:002014-03-11T19:42:21.696-05:00I don't see any bicycle riders contributing to...I don't see any bicycle riders contributing to the grant-in aid trails or working with landowners. I'm sure the bicycle riders would be one of the first ones to complain if snowmobiles rode on the bicycle trails. MisterCMKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14383288119207401582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7107361208761142123.post-52047603991986812762014-02-19T17:15:39.539-06:002014-02-19T17:15:39.539-06:00Banning bikes on winter trails where snowmobiles a...Banning bikes on winter trails where snowmobiles are allowed is wrong minded. I have ridden winter trails for years and shall continue to ride them. Heathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04877874970762445563noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7107361208761142123.post-79401191380688384342014-02-19T10:53:36.850-06:002014-02-19T10:53:36.850-06:0021,000 miles for Snowmobiles, 29 miles for Fat-Bik...21,000 miles for Snowmobiles, 29 miles for Fat-Bikes, right?Neil Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07686746824742457651noreply@blogger.com